Interpreting the detritus left after starving and poisoning cell lines with antibiotics and claiming these are distinct “particles” with a purpose is as scietifically meaningful as Tea Leaf reading.
What should anyone expect from starving and poisoning? Detritus. Your commentary on the red herring is appreciated.
Exactly. Having grown hundreds (thousands?) of cell cultures, including dozens of cell lines using nearly that number of media compositions, a feature common to all was dead cell detritus.
Great article, its about time someone out exosomes to bed. I think Kaufman was still mentioning them in his latest debate with kirsch - cringe.
Just re what these particles are - The fixing and dehydration of the sample in preparation for placing it into the electronic microscope removes all lipids from the sample. At the time of observation of an electron micrograms no lipids are present in the sample.
The majority of the structures seen in electron micrographs are artifacts of the electron microscop process - they just do not exist at all in a living organism or even in a tissue culture. More often than not, they are the result of biological matter precipitating after chemical, dehydration and heat.
I am not too sure I agree with the notion that lipids "dehydrate" I.e lose water and so are not present.
It could (and would be my guess) that it is surface tension like the polarity differences on a meniscus of liquid. What ever constitutes the cell membrane, its properties to me are certainly "hydrophobic/immiscible" in the fluid which causes these "vesicles/bubbles/blobs" and nothing else.
What they've essential done is scraped road kill off the highway, chopped it up, chemically processed the pieces, categorized every unique piece on the bench and then assigned brand new imaginary purposes the now-objects they've just discovered. They then submitted their new discoveries, got published and got paid. Never mind the described objects have never been seen doing or proven to do what they claimed.
They authored a new fantastical story that's been expanded upon ever since. Like Star Trek, Harry Potter and the Marvel Universe.
How do you know? Nothing has ever come true. Have exosomes themselves or synthetic copies ever been used to use to cure cancer? Or Parkinson's? Grow new skin? Nope. The current related supposed cutting edge mRNA drug does nothing good. Whatever was in their vials has only maimed and killed. All Allopathic drugs do is perturb cells, alter chemicals and change electrical charges in the body in some way. What results is the body trying to fix what the toxic drugs altered. Other drugs are copies of nature that we'd benefit from and not need artificial forms if we ate a nutritious diet, mildly exercised and got some sunlight each day. Every injury and illness we experience can be attributed to insult or injury from a toxin, physical blow, or a deficiency. Humans in communities who avoid western medicine and exposure to modern man made toxins, processed foods, alcohol and smoking are very healthy, like the Amish, for example. Modern sanitation, food preservation and safety via refrigeration made mass produced whole foods widely available in the early 1900's which increased our health and lifespan by eliminating exposure to toxins. Allopathic medicine can take no credit for anything but the harm it's done to the human race, including destroying the competition, natural medicine.
"I challenge the thought that any of these biological entities in your body are moving according to anything other than basic pressure, temperature and diffusion gradients."
I think that the idea of "exosomes" gained traction through Dr. Andy Kaufman who has repeatedly argued to discredit the notion that a "virus" is too small to be isolated and viewed in anything other than a TEM because smaller "exosomes" have been. I've heard this said a number of times. If "exosomes" can be seen in motion carrying out a function in real time, it can be recorded. Simple as that. I'm yet to see any such recording.
I agree with your assessment of "virions," "exosomes," and the rest of extra- and intracellular mythology. Though you were referring to fairytale entities in the quote above, I might consider and add polarity (which I suppose would fall into the category of "pressure") as a means of locomotion for proven visible brainless biological entities such as white blood cells, etc. Thoughts on this?
I remember in 2020 AK debuted saying "viruses are exosomes". I was confused thinking he was saying, that viruses existed but did what exosomes do and vice versa. It took him a few more vids to get off the exosome dig and discuss why viruses were never found. I was always in a state of confusion what this successful forensic psychiatrist was trying to do SUDDENLY making rumble videos on exosomes-that was not anything new, and how he quickly got connected to a few other no-virus people, and suddenly became an expert in natural healing having a web site with a menu of for-sale services incl giving paid seminars.
Yes I remember that, just reread. It seems fine Ray. My opinion is that It is not clear what objects on EM really are. Better to call them objects (not particles) because they are dead shadows on a detector plate, that's it. Are they exosomes, or cell fragments or artifacts of the EM procedure, spores, organelles, or something else? No one knows but they can be seen with no patient fluid in the cell culture.
you are intense !!!!!!!!---- great post i read all of it -- i am very happy i found somebody who understands OScillstes or oscillate ------ and indoctrination ---------
Did I not say pressure gradients? If I didn't I would definitely agree with you that this would be a mode of locomotion for all microbiological particles
You did, which is why I added the qualifying "which I suppose would fall into the category of "pressure." That is what I was asking for your thoughts on. I wasn't sure if polarity and pressure gradient were the same. No need to be defensive or disagreeable.
Edit: I am not a professional scientist or engineer.
Sorry... I just re read you comment and you mention "polarity". Completely missed it.. Oh 100% I think at the core of all of this is charge, electromagnetism is incredibly understudied in the mainstream and needs more investigation overall...
Everyone is welcome to comment on any topic... I actively work against having to *be* a something (insert position of "authority") to engage in something
There is also the hypothesis that the heart is not a pump, that blood flow is due to electrical energy, and the heart acts as a mechanism to slow the flow.
Excellent topic Jamie! It's a costume party, but only 5 or 6 different costumes are allowed, so we can easily know what kind of particle or virus the party goers trying to emulate.
The circular reasoning seems intact all the way down to include the declaration of interests?
'E.N.-t.H. receives funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union’s Seventh Framework Programme (FP/2007–2013)/ERC grant agreement 337581; the work of L.B.M. is funded by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development/NIH Intramural Program; the work of R.C.G. is funded by the Gates Foundation, the National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Diseases, and the University of Maryland School of Medicine'.
Yes you're right...it's a "review" paper, and PNAS has labelled it a "perspective"...and yes, sorry I missed your point about those funding sources....WOW! I never noticed THEM before!
genetics lie isn't it just a lovely -- thanks for makeing that loud and clear i'm on board 100 %% ----- the good news is once they start lieing they have to make up another lie for all the other lies etc. etc. --- i was very impressed with diffusion gradients and people love to anthopomophize biological entities ----- i will enjoy giving personal contemplation on both phases and looking up the definitions-- very well said -------------- i found your use of entities to be very original
i just started posting past blood research here on SS. i will be showing the biogenesis of "debatably" EVs proteomic cargo, endosomes, exosomes, apoptitic bodies ,fungi and the many forms they take ,here soon on future posts. I haven't seen these expressions in any accepted literature. This can't be done with TEM or SEM microscopy as they are mounting dead cell corpses frozen in time. check it out down the line. it will take time to get the data into SS posts. stay wise
Well… Bacteriophages can ONLY be seen in vitro under stressed environments, so there is something to be said about whether these distinct particles exist or are only a by product of simulated environments.
In any case a Bacteriophage, I would say is part of the pleomorphic life cycle of a Bacteria, acting in more of a spore like phase to a bacteria for reformation in after stressed conditions.
Rather than any sort of "vehicle" for genetic communication which is what "viruses/exosomes" are postulated to function as.
I don’t have a problem with people postulating that exosomal signaling is a possibility and should be considered. As long as there’s no fraud like there exists in virology.
Transfection and transformation are done in vitro and in vivo every day. Something is going on there.
I read your posts and I can’t say I disagree with your major points. The fact that Forensic DNA testing has no controls is a bit scary. It’s used to convict and overturn convictions every day.
However, I don’t think it establishes that exosomes, nucleotides, transfection and transformation are a complete construct.
The above article is a perfect example of mad science and why we shouldn’t be transfecting and transforming the cells of human beings.
Sadly the article just mentions Gelsinger died of an immune response. What happened was his liver cells started expressing foreign proteins due to the transformation and the immune system attacked the liver.
Was the protein the targeted OTC enzyme or was the liver expressing random proteins? Don’t know, but either way, Gelsinger’s body would have recognized it as “not self”.
That’s the case with all transfections and transformations, including the COVID jabs.
So, I’m still of the opinion that something is going on here. It is not well understood and there exists thousands of people in science and industry who are willing to turn the entire population of the world into their experimental lab.
Interpreting the detritus left after starving and poisoning cell lines with antibiotics and claiming these are distinct “particles” with a purpose is as scietifically meaningful as Tea Leaf reading.
What should anyone expect from starving and poisoning? Detritus. Your commentary on the red herring is appreciated.
Exactly. Having grown hundreds (thousands?) of cell cultures, including dozens of cell lines using nearly that number of media compositions, a feature common to all was dead cell detritus.
Great article, its about time someone out exosomes to bed. I think Kaufman was still mentioning them in his latest debate with kirsch - cringe.
Just re what these particles are - The fixing and dehydration of the sample in preparation for placing it into the electronic microscope removes all lipids from the sample. At the time of observation of an electron micrograms no lipids are present in the sample.
Harold Hillman makes this point in his 47 questions for biologist and an example of this issue can be found here ‐ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0005276066900130
The majority of the structures seen in electron micrographs are artifacts of the electron microscop process - they just do not exist at all in a living organism or even in a tissue culture. More often than not, they are the result of biological matter precipitating after chemical, dehydration and heat.
I am not too sure I agree with the notion that lipids "dehydrate" I.e lose water and so are not present.
It could (and would be my guess) that it is surface tension like the polarity differences on a meniscus of liquid. What ever constitutes the cell membrane, its properties to me are certainly "hydrophobic/immiscible" in the fluid which causes these "vesicles/bubbles/blobs" and nothing else.
I posted a comment on this.... We can disagree and not be angry enemies, no?
I think Andy is right, but see my comment above.
Yes we can agree to disagree of course... and can debate... it is just all of my side of the debate is in the article.
I think I made the point I meant to make. There’s plenty of ways/means to check it out. ^_^
What they've essential done is scraped road kill off the highway, chopped it up, chemically processed the pieces, categorized every unique piece on the bench and then assigned brand new imaginary purposes the now-objects they've just discovered. They then submitted their new discoveries, got published and got paid. Never mind the described objects have never been seen doing or proven to do what they claimed.
They authored a new fantastical story that's been expanded upon ever since. Like Star Trek, Harry Potter and the Marvel Universe.
How do you know? Nothing has ever come true. Have exosomes themselves or synthetic copies ever been used to use to cure cancer? Or Parkinson's? Grow new skin? Nope. The current related supposed cutting edge mRNA drug does nothing good. Whatever was in their vials has only maimed and killed. All Allopathic drugs do is perturb cells, alter chemicals and change electrical charges in the body in some way. What results is the body trying to fix what the toxic drugs altered. Other drugs are copies of nature that we'd benefit from and not need artificial forms if we ate a nutritious diet, mildly exercised and got some sunlight each day. Every injury and illness we experience can be attributed to insult or injury from a toxin, physical blow, or a deficiency. Humans in communities who avoid western medicine and exposure to modern man made toxins, processed foods, alcohol and smoking are very healthy, like the Amish, for example. Modern sanitation, food preservation and safety via refrigeration made mass produced whole foods widely available in the early 1900's which increased our health and lifespan by eliminating exposure to toxins. Allopathic medicine can take no credit for anything but the harm it's done to the human race, including destroying the competition, natural medicine.
Very well put.
I agree with Mr Andrews. Very well put. Thank you.
"I challenge the thought that any of these biological entities in your body are moving according to anything other than basic pressure, temperature and diffusion gradients."
I think that the idea of "exosomes" gained traction through Dr. Andy Kaufman who has repeatedly argued to discredit the notion that a "virus" is too small to be isolated and viewed in anything other than a TEM because smaller "exosomes" have been. I've heard this said a number of times. If "exosomes" can be seen in motion carrying out a function in real time, it can be recorded. Simple as that. I'm yet to see any such recording.
I agree with your assessment of "virions," "exosomes," and the rest of extra- and intracellular mythology. Though you were referring to fairytale entities in the quote above, I might consider and add polarity (which I suppose would fall into the category of "pressure") as a means of locomotion for proven visible brainless biological entities such as white blood cells, etc. Thoughts on this?
I remember in 2020 AK debuted saying "viruses are exosomes". I was confused thinking he was saying, that viruses existed but did what exosomes do and vice versa. It took him a few more vids to get off the exosome dig and discuss why viruses were never found. I was always in a state of confusion what this successful forensic psychiatrist was trying to do SUDDENLY making rumble videos on exosomes-that was not anything new, and how he quickly got connected to a few other no-virus people, and suddenly became an expert in natural healing having a web site with a menu of for-sale services incl giving paid seminars.
Precisely. I remember that as well.
Hi Proton, well said.
So, do you agree with my article from June, 2022?
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-is-a-virus
Yes I remember that, just reread. It seems fine Ray. My opinion is that It is not clear what objects on EM really are. Better to call them objects (not particles) because they are dead shadows on a detector plate, that's it. Are they exosomes, or cell fragments or artifacts of the EM procedure, spores, organelles, or something else? No one knows but they can be seen with no patient fluid in the cell culture.
There is a better explanation, dense water.
A different level of knowledge and thinking by Dr Lanka.
All the models have proven to be false.
2017 and in German , may have translate features.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Edhi88957pU
For those who do not speak German.
Made some notes to understanding as it is a totally different understanding , away from the reductionist models.
Finally put it to me into context how Peter Augustin findings and Dr Hamer’s understanding of biology explains biological processes.
Some know there are no viruses but still believe in nearly ever other reductionist field .
That is another reason why even so called “ awake “ people cannot think beyond centuries of indoctrination.
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A New Theory of Life
The most important scientific finding brings us closer to the substance we are made off. It has its origin in water.
This knowledge gives one the feeling of wellness.
It is clear that we are made out of this energy force.
Not only humans, but all living tissues have the same density.
This tissue lives, it regulates itself, makes metabolism , it interacts.
The surface membrane that forms wherever water comes in contact with another surface or within itself- a vortex.
The heart is a vortex.
The primal substance pool the whole world together. There is no vacuum.
Everything is connected, it communicates , it oscillates together.
It explains electromagnetism.
The oscillation causes matter to disintegrate.
This disintegration , quasi trituration ( grinding) and turbulence of matter , gives rise to electromagnetism.
https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/f827313e-41ac-41f3-88d0-eb67582bc69d/The_Primal_Substance.pdf
you are intense !!!!!!!!---- great post i read all of it -- i am very happy i found somebody who understands OScillstes or oscillate ------ and indoctrination ---------
Check this article out , only came across it yesterday.
2015, so there may by a few new understandings.
https://daserwachendervalkyrjar.wordpress.com/tag/dr-peter-augustin/
One needs to deconstruct the old and totally false models to leave room for the new one.
https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/3f86cafe-fbe9-4ba9-8a7a-47a023da6959/Deconstructing_the_old_models.pdf
Did I not say pressure gradients? If I didn't I would definitely agree with you that this would be a mode of locomotion for all microbiological particles
You did, which is why I added the qualifying "which I suppose would fall into the category of "pressure." That is what I was asking for your thoughts on. I wasn't sure if polarity and pressure gradient were the same. No need to be defensive or disagreeable.
Edit: I am not a professional scientist or engineer.
Sorry... I just re read you comment and you mention "polarity". Completely missed it.. Oh 100% I think at the core of all of this is charge, electromagnetism is incredibly understudied in the mainstream and needs more investigation overall...
Everyone is welcome to comment on any topic... I actively work against having to *be* a something (insert position of "authority") to engage in something
Thanks. I greatly appreciate that, and so appreciate your articles.
Gerald Pollock has done a lot of work on fourth phase water, or "structured water". It may explain how red blood cells can squeeze into capillaries. https://bio4climate.org/article/water-isnt-what-you-think-it-is-the-fourth-phase-of-water-by-gerald-pollack/
There is also the hypothesis that the heart is not a pump, that blood flow is due to electrical energy, and the heart acts as a mechanism to slow the flow.
Very interesting! Thus, even the hypothesis of the very existence of exosomes may be wrong!
Exactly
Nice work, I like the different twist on exploring these topics.
Thanks Karl.
Excellent topic Jamie! It's a costume party, but only 5 or 6 different costumes are allowed, so we can easily know what kind of particle or virus the party goers trying to emulate.
Stumbled on this: "Extracellular vesicles and viruses: Are they close relatives?"
Esther Nolte-‘t Hoena, Tom Cremera, Robert C. Gallob,1, and Leonid B. Margolisc
PNAS | August 16, 2016 | vol. 113 | no. 33 | 9155–9161
The circular reasoning seems intact all the way down to include the declaration of interests?
'E.N.-t.H. receives funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union’s Seventh Framework Programme (FP/2007–2013)/ERC grant agreement 337581; the work of L.B.M. is funded by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development/NIH Intramural Program; the work of R.C.G. is funded by the Gates Foundation, the National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Diseases, and the University of Maryland School of Medicine'.
Interesting... Good find.
The Perth Group have had a link to this study posted on their home page ( https://www.theperthgroup.com/index.shtml ) since shortly after it was first published.
Not a "study" but catalogued as a journal "perspective."
The subject is becoming passé.
However, it was the funding sources that were of interest, with the usual players evident in the mix.
Yes you're right...it's a "review" paper, and PNAS has labelled it a "perspective"...and yes, sorry I missed your point about those funding sources....WOW! I never noticed THEM before!
Rod, it's easy to miss the shadows in the dark ;-) We sure live in bizarrely evil times. Thank you for your important work.
Good stuff!
genetics lie isn't it just a lovely -- thanks for makeing that loud and clear i'm on board 100 %% ----- the good news is once they start lieing they have to make up another lie for all the other lies etc. etc. --- i was very impressed with diffusion gradients and people love to anthopomophize biological entities ----- i will enjoy giving personal contemplation on both phases and looking up the definitions-- very well said -------------- i found your use of entities to be very original
https://substack.com/profile/250352700-research-integrity/note/c-71470015
Adhesion-induced instabilities and pattern formation in thin films of elastomers and gels
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1140/epje/i2015-15082-7
I like exosomes. I don't know what they are, but I like them.
It's the X factor.
hhh lol
from The exoplanets!
Thought provoking. Would love to see you converse with https://substack.com/@geoffpain?r=k5coj&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=profile
Dr. Geoff is a strong friend of viruses, well these folks keep me excited to keep going:
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/proton-goes-to-the-virus-circus
https://open.substack.com/pub/neomicroscopy/p/louis-pasteur-vs-antoine-bechamp?r=1yb1yj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://open.substack.com/pub/neomicroscopy/p/proving-antoine-bechamp-was-right?r=1yb1yj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
here you go Bud
i just started posting past blood research here on SS. i will be showing the biogenesis of "debatably" EVs proteomic cargo, endosomes, exosomes, apoptitic bodies ,fungi and the many forms they take ,here soon on future posts. I haven't seen these expressions in any accepted literature. This can't be done with TEM or SEM microscopy as they are mounting dead cell corpses frozen in time. check it out down the line. it will take time to get the data into SS posts. stay wise
What about Bacteriophages?
They are definitely inconvenient to the “no exosomes” argument.
Well… Bacteriophages can ONLY be seen in vitro under stressed environments, so there is something to be said about whether these distinct particles exist or are only a by product of simulated environments.
In any case a Bacteriophage, I would say is part of the pleomorphic life cycle of a Bacteria, acting in more of a spore like phase to a bacteria for reformation in after stressed conditions.
Rather than any sort of "vehicle" for genetic communication which is what "viruses/exosomes" are postulated to function as.
I don’t have a problem with people postulating that exosomal signaling is a possibility and should be considered. As long as there’s no fraud like there exists in virology.
Transfection and transformation are done in vitro and in vivo every day. Something is going on there.
I challenge the very fundamentals of genetics and drawn exact comparisons to the isolation of DNA as being the same fraud as virology.
Transfection is no different. When you pull apart the methodologies and expected outcomes there are always huge assumptions and claimed causalities.
https://controlstudies.substack.com/p/benchmarking-reality This is just one article of mine which lays out alot of the problems I have with the area of genetics.
At the end of this article is a link to a lady called Tam who has done a brilliant breakdown of the problems with the isolation of DNA.https://controlstudies.substack.com/p/diy-controls
I read your posts and I can’t say I disagree with your major points. The fact that Forensic DNA testing has no controls is a bit scary. It’s used to convict and overturn convictions every day.
However, I don’t think it establishes that exosomes, nucleotides, transfection and transformation are a complete construct.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC81135/
The above article is a perfect example of mad science and why we shouldn’t be transfecting and transforming the cells of human beings.
Sadly the article just mentions Gelsinger died of an immune response. What happened was his liver cells started expressing foreign proteins due to the transformation and the immune system attacked the liver.
Was the protein the targeted OTC enzyme or was the liver expressing random proteins? Don’t know, but either way, Gelsinger’s body would have recognized it as “not self”.
That’s the case with all transfections and transformations, including the COVID jabs.
So, I’m still of the opinion that something is going on here. It is not well understood and there exists thousands of people in science and industry who are willing to turn the entire population of the world into their experimental lab.
I’m open to your take. I’ll have a look.
Thank you..